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What Does it Mean to Defy and Why Does It Matter? An Interview with Sunita Sah
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Issue 153: Why it's important to understand defiance as a skill, not a personality trait

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What does it really mean to “defy,” and why does it matter? In a world where conformity is often rewarded and going along to get along is the norm, the very idea of defiance can feel disruptive or even dangerous. In her new book, Defy, Sunita Sah, an Associated Professor at the Cornell University College of Business, challenges our assumptions about disobedience, arguing that defiance can be a powerful force for alignment with our deepest values.

Drawing on personal experiences, real-world case studies, and psychological research, Dr. Sah’s book reveals how “defiance” can be a quiet, intentional act rather than a loud rebellion. By redefining defiance as integrity in action, she shows us how small choices—like speaking up in a meeting or refusing to endorse an ethically questionable practice—can reshape group dynamics for the better.

“This redefinition of defiance challenges long-held assumptions that defiance is disruptive or reserved for extraordinary individuals. Instead, I argue tha…

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Cornell Professor | Author | Speaker | Consultant | USA Today Bestselling Author of DEFY: The Power of No in a World that Demands Yes, Penguin Random House 📖 Empowering you to break free from compliance + take back control.
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